In this episode, Jack Schafer, PhD joins Chris Hadnagy and Maxie Reynolds. Dr. Schafer is a psychologist, professor, intelligence consultant, and former FBI Special Agent. Dr. Schafer spent fifteen years conducting counter-intelligence and counterterrorism investigations, and seven years as a behavioral analyst for the FBI’s National Security Division’s Behavioral Analysis Program. May 10, 2021.
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In this episode, Jack Schafer, PhD joins Chris Hadnagy and Maxie Reynolds. Dr. Schafer is a psychologist, professor, intelligence consultant, and former FBI Special Agent. Dr. Schafer spent fifteen years conducting counter-intelligence and counterterrorism investigations, and seven years as a behavioral analyst for the FBI’s National Security Division’s Behavioral Analysis Program. May 10, 2021
00:00 – Intro
03:32 – Introduction to Dr. Jack Schafer, PhD.
04:54 – How Jack decided to start training people in his field after retirement
07:46 – Why is rapport building important?
11:49 – How do you stop rapport from being used against you?
13:51 – Explaining “The Truth Bias”
15:37 – Rapport works across different cultures
18:15 – The basic human need to correct other people
19:28 – Integrating the knowledge of that need into work as an FBI agent – “Brian’s Loop”
23:01 – People don’t answer yes or no, they answer Yes+, No+, I Don’t Know+
23:19 – Flattery
25:13 – Roundabout vs Direct Approach
26:45 – The “right” way is the way that works for you
29:58 – The Truth “Default Mode” and breaking the baseline
33:05 – Verbal vs. Non-Verbal Cues
36:19 – Get A Commitment
37:36 – Why does getting a commitment work on humans?
39:50 – The Lip Purse
42:40 – Wrap Up
44:45 – Jack’s Mentors
46:30 – Contact Jack
Email: [email protected]
47:06 – Outro
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