Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Michelle Li. Chris and Michelle delve into the transformative role of AI in social engineering, highlighting both its potential and pitfalls. Their conversation emphasizes the critical need for empathy in leadership and the importance of maintaining human-centric processes in an increasingly automated world. [Nov 17, 2025]
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Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Michelle Li. Chris and Michelle delve into the transformative role of AI in social engineering, highlighting both its potential and pitfalls. Their conversation emphasizes the critical need for empathy in leadership and the importance of maintaining human-centric processes in an increasingly automated world. [Nov 17, 2025]
00:00 – Intro
00:27 – Intro Links:
- Social-Engineer.com– http://www.social-engineer.com/
- Offensive Security Vishing Services – https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/vishing/
- Offensive Security SMiShing Services – https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/
- Offensive Security Phishing Services – https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/
- Call Back Phishing – https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/call-back-phishing/
- Adversarial Simulation Services – https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/
- Social Engineering Risk Assessments – https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/
- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK– https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb
- CLUTCH– http://www.pro-rock.com/
- org– http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/
02:34 – Michelle Li Intro
03:14 – A Roundabout Journey
05:40 – The Importance of Legacy
07:26 – Using AI Honorably
10:00 – The Effects of AI on Social Engineering
11:52 – AI for Protection
13:47 – Still About the Human Role
14:49 – Masterclass Ad
16:27 – Origins of FASE
20:01 – Reflection of Self
25:52 – The Role of Core Principles
30:15 – New Kid in Town
34:08 – Find Michelle Li Online
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-li-mba-ssbb-0850b975/
- Website: https://www.bisblox.com/
34:47 – Book Recommendations
- Blink – Malcolm Gladwell
- The Book of Forgiving – Desmond Tutu
36:11 – Mentors
38:52 – Wrap Up & Outro